French Defence Minister Longuet to EuroFora on EUROCORPS +ESDP: Collective action debated with MEPs
Initiatives are important, but Collective decisions are necessary in European and International Military action, replied in substance French Minister of Defence Gerard Longuet to "EuroFora" question on the development of EUROCORPS and other EU-led ESDP tools' capacities for Autonomous action, (often more efficient also in International Diplomacy : See infra), as EU Parliament has asked since March 2010, and as it was anew evoked, in a Stimulating overall ambiance of several key-MEPs, later this evening, when Longuet exchanged views with MEPs of the Foreign affairs and ESDP's committees, where concrete, as well as strategic prospects were discussed.
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The French Minister of Defence spoke initially to "EuroFora" at a Press Conference during his visit to EUROCORPS, the European "Etat Major" based in Strasbourg and composed by France, Germany, Spain, Belgium and Luxembourg, as fully perticipating (i.e. with many permanent Soldiers, Officers, Equipment, etc) Founding Members, as well as other EU Countries, such as Italy, Greece, Poland, etc. as "Associate" Nations with Liaison Officers on the spot, while, recently, particularly concerning some NATO-related issues, participation of Liaison Officers from Turkey and/or USA, etc. was considered.
Longuet was welcomed at EUROCORPS by German general Walter Spindler, deputy EUROCORPS Commander, because the new Commanding General of EUROCOPS. French general Olivier de Bavinchove, who has just arrived at Kabul, in order to prepare the take-over as New "Chief of Staff" for all the International Force in Afghanistan, due to become, on the 1st of Januray its No 3 in the Military Hierarchy, with overall competence extending to all sectors of activity and throughout all the Country, duringa crucial 2012 Year, up to 2013, i.e. while preparing a delicate progressive withdrawal of International forces, due to be replaced by Afghan trained Army, planned by the USA and its allies for 2014. Meanwhile, EUROCORPS aims to develop further its capacities to coordinate not only Land, but also Air and Sea operations, the Director of its Press Service, colonel Bruno Louisfert confirmed to "EuroFora".
- Therefore, we asked Longuet : - "Do you think that, in Future, mutatis mutandis, Europe would become able, thanks also to EUROCORPS where we are now, to lead such kind of (Military) operations or similar ones, f.ex., in another way, eventually in Syria or elsewhere, or Peace-keeping operations, with an equivalent efficiency, or, (on the contrary), we (Europeans) might still need to develop many things (before becoming able to act in such a way), f.ex. in the domain of Satellites (TeleCom, Observation, Command, etc) or other, which would, perhaps, be lacking today ?"
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- "Each theater of operation is a specific case, and each conflict unfolds in a special context, so that it wouldn't be reasonable to make general conclusions", carefully observed from the outset Longuet.
- But "there is, still, large room for National Initiatives, which prepare and incite International Organisations to trigger a Collective Decision", he optimistically added, not excluding a priori anything.
- "Each one has its own experience, from one country or region to another, its own knowledge of a theater (of possible military operations), with its History, its relations, its experience". But, "what I wish is that each Country adds all that to the (Common) benefit of the EU, in favor of the involvement of an International Law, which belongs to the UNO at this moment", the French Minister stressed, as a matter of Principle.
- "Are there any automatic processes ? Apparently not. Should we hold a Permanent Consultation" of all those concerned ? "That's true".
- Thus, f.ex., "EUROCORPS, where we are today, is a Remarkable Tool, but it can't be involved unless there is a Collective Decision", Longuet observed, (indirectly evoking, f.ex., the fact that as long as Germany wasn't initially convinced that it should fully participate in the International Coalition acting to protect the Libyan People, then, EUROCORPS' eventual use was, at least for the moment, out of question). "And the Collective Decisions have to follow the fore-mentioned procedure", (See supra).
- "That is to say, EUROCORPS is not an element of the 1st (Political/Diplomatic) move, even if it is its immediate (Military) Support, when the Collective Decision has been taken".
- "Now, could a Country act alone ? I think No". Because "I can't imagine an International action claiming to defend the Law, which might be Unilateraly decided by anyone today". "An Unilateral Decision, taken by one country it's frankly not the kind of decision needed by a therapeutic action in order to bring towards a Collective Decision", he pointed out, (obviously excluding Unilateral Military Invasions as f.ex. that of Turkey's Army in Cyprus since 1974, according also to a similar Criticism recently by CoE's Assembly, on a Report drafted by German MEP Ms Schuster, of the Governing Coalition of Liberals-ChristianDemocrats, which insists on "Collective" action and International Organizations' decisions, excluding for anyone to act alone, Unilateraly : Comp. relevant "EuroFora"s NewsReport published earlier).
+ "EUROCOPRS doesn't belong to (Political) Strategy, but to an Operational" field, "Lets' not go too far on that", Longuet also carefully limited himself to say later on, in reaction to another "EuroFora"s Question about whether EUROCORPS might, eventually, help overcome the Objections that some Partners, such as Russia, etc., still have vis a vis the need to act on Syria and/or other areas where People are often killed and seriously oppressed by an oppressive regime neighbouring the EU, without being protected by anyone until now....
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- Thus, "European Defense advances Slowly". But, "what is most important is to never be Degressive : I.e. to advance always, even if slowly.. It would be a pitty to waste an effort which was correctly initiated". F.ex. EUROCORPS already exists. Therefore, it's important, meanwhile, to at least "make use" of it at various occasions, in order to keep it in shape and augment its capacities, Longuet added later in reply to another Journalist's question, which prolonged our's.
"EU Ministers of Defence should come more often in Strasbourg", he joked, speaking both of EUROCORPS' Member Countries and others..
"Today NATO has to make a lot of Economies, and, in this framework, I don't see why it wouldn't use some organisations, which are exterior to it, legally and financialy, but compatible and complementary", Longuet thought.
However, EU Parliament has clearly "proposed to place EUROCORPS as a Standing Force under EU Command, and invite(d) all (EU) Member States to contribute to it, according to a Resolution adopted by MEPs as early as since June 2008, an EUROCORPS' Press file reminded Journalists today... (+ See also infra).
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+ Concerning "EuroFora" Questions' specific point on Capabilities, Longuet explained afterwards that "USA brought in (the International Coalition) some instruments that Europeans can't yet set in motion, (as he said), such as the AWACS and Airplane re-Fuelling in particular, but, as far as it concerns most Air-Strikes and almost all Pilots, it was for Europeans to act, accompagned by our Arab allies"'. Indeed, after a while, "the Americans chose to keep away from most AirStrikes, but this didn't hinder the Positive Result of this Operation, i.e. to Neutralize Kaddafi's Military forces that he aimed to use against his own People", he reminded.
- But, "concerning the (Military) Equipments, the excellent quality of the Airborn, Maritime or Helicopter instruments used by France was tested and proved on the spot" during the Libyan operation, he underlined.
+ "Now, we must take some Time for Reflexion and Analysis", so that "in about 1 Month we could present in Public some useful Conclusions, with Witnesses who could give us the first lessons", from the Libyan experience, "as far as it concerns both the chain of integrated Military Commandment, the place of each Nation inside the International Operation, and, naturally, on how behaved the Men and the Equipments at their disposal".
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- As for the Political and Social Future of Libya itself, "it's for Libyans themselves to choose now. But we (the International Coalition) didn't fight for Sharia : We fought for Freedom of choice for the Libyan People", and "I personally believe that Freedom cannot be reconciled with a Conservatism which would be contrary to the Values for which we all struggled", the French Minister softly but clearly warned, in reply to other Journalists' questions.
- "It's not for us to say what the NTC wil decide. But whenever we spoke before, (Libyan Prime Minister) Jibril was crystal clear about being in favor of a Modern Islam". "Several Muslim Countries succeeded to deal with that in a Modern way, as f.ex. Tunisia until now, and that's the wish I'd have for what they will decide. But their decision will be taken by a (forthcoming) Vote", Longuet soberly observed.
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+ EU PARLIAMENT's DEBATE WITH MEPS :
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- Speaking later this evening to EU Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee, including MEPs of the Security and Defence su-Committee, on the sidelines of this week's Plenary Session in Strasbourg, the French Minister, (who had a long Experience in the Past also as former Minister for Telecoms and in the Ministry of Industry), warned MEPs that the current Global Crisis must not affect "EU's Industrial basis, in order not to undermine the Autonomy of the European Defence", as he observed.
- Longuet revealed to MEPs that the current Polish EU Council's Presidency, after consultations with France and Germany in the framework of Weimar's triangle, would present some interesting, "'Ambitious" Proposals for the Development of EU Security and Defence Policy "before the end of the year" 2011.
After the recent Succes of the Operation establlishing an Air Exclusion Zone in Libya and other airborn activities to help the Libyan People, (mainly led by willing EU Countries), the Future of EU's Defence poicy raised now some Topical Questions as f.ex. that of the creation of a Joint EU Staff HQ. (Etat Major), Burden-Sharing on Equipment, etc., as well as that of which Operations might be pursued, etc., he noted.
He reminded that, since the 1992 Historic agreement of Saint-Malo, (mainly between France and the UK, etc), as well as of the Koeln deal on 1999, the 2008 French EU Presidency "contributed" to make progress towards an EU Security/Defence Policy, where France stresses in particular the importance of being "Operational" and of developig the required "Capacities", including by safeguarding an "Industrial Base" required for EU Defense's "Autonomy".
Among various still on-going Operations, EU plays a key role in the International Initiative against Piracy, protecting Sea Ships from which depend 90% of Trade Exchanges Worldwide, cooperates with Russia in Tchad, has an Observation mission on the spot in Georgia since to the Sarkozy 8/2008 Agreements (comp. "EuroFora"s NewsReport from Brixen/Bressanone of 8/2008à, while also keeps Forces in the Balkans (at Kosovo and Bosnia), at the same time that, after the entry into force of Lisbon Treaty, EU appointed its Special Representative for Common Security/Defense and Foreign Policy, Baroness Cathy Ashton on 2009 and staffed its External Action Service swith 6.000 Diplomats, eyes to develop EU's Defence Agency, (f.ex. on Refueling Airplanes, etc), i.e. advanced, "Slowly but with visibility".
Now EU Defence Ministers are due to meet on November 30, 2011, while the recent Proposal (by a joint Letter of France, UK and Belgium's Defence Ministers) to create an EU Joint Staff HeadQuarters, able to Think, Prepare and Planify action, has to overcome the current "lack of Unanimity" by becoming more precise. But on Regional Maritime Cooperation, EU seems ready to adance further, while Libya just entered a Stage for Police cooperation, Military being perhaps useful just to prevent Destabilisation of Borders and to realize Disarmament, he observed currently.
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+ During exchanges with some 15 MEPs from various EU Countries and Political Groups, he found naturally "interesting" the anouncement made by former EU Parliament's President, German ChristianDemocrat MEP Hans Gert Poettering, that, "on November", the Annual Congress of the Governing CDU/CSU Party would focus debates on EU Security and Defence Policy :
- "I raised (to French Minister Longuet) a question on S.A.F.E., which means : "Synchronised Armed Forces of Europe", i.e. that Soldiers should be able to interact together, Weapons Harmonized, partiicularly at a time when we have to Save Money, Research/Technology coordinated together, etc., and I stressed that I'm in favor of EU Forces", Poettering, who is now Chairman also of the prestigious and influent "Adenauer Foundation", explained afterwards to "EuroFora".
+ Meanwhile, "the Bureau of the (German Governing) ChristianDemocrat (CDU) Party decided this evening that the (Annual 2011) Congress, on November, will debate the issue, and already took a stance in favor of (the building up of) EU Military forces", Poettering added to "EuroFora".
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+ "EUROCORPS already exists, and we (EU) didn't use it yet soon enough, added later in reaction to other MEPs' observations Longuet, who also pointed at the importance of France and the UK's cooperation on European-led Defence operations, (as f.ex. in Libya, etc), as well as on equipment.
- "We have a good Cooperation and signed a few years ago an Agreement signed also by the (currently Governing) Conservatrive party", positively said about France and Britain's role on Defence issues, experienced Foreign Policy Spokesman of the Conservatives and Reformers' Group, British MEP Charlers Tannock to "EuroFora" afterwards.
However, Tannock, who appeared exceptionaly anxious to find out what was happening at the same time in Westminster, where some 111 MPs voted for a Referendum against UK's involvement in the EU, didn't mention EU Defence policy, while Prime Minister Cameron was making some interesting remarks in London, about EU's possible Changes which might bring €uroZone Countries closer together, while leaving the other 10 EU Member Countries evolve towards a less important relationship, particularly after UK's recent refusal of any Financial Bail-out and decision (together with France, Germany and the Netherlands) to freeze EU's Budget...
> But, in general, any Military tool is an Operational istrument, the use of which depends from a Political project, the French Minister observed, as a matter of principle.
=> Thereforee, it can have a Meaning only if there is a shared Analysis of the World, and if we have a Political Unity", Longuet stressed, apparently excluding as insufficient anything which might stay only at a Ministerial level, instead of extending at the Highest Political level.
Something which seems to underestimate the Full Potential of the Historic Decision, taken by French President Sarkozy and German Chancellor Merkel on August 16 (Comp. "EuroFora"s NewsReport from Elysee Palace on this Exceptional Franco-Geman Summit), which decided to propose, for the 1st time, to start organizing Regular €uroZone Heads of State/Government Summits...
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However, replying to Lithuanian mainstream MEP Landsbergis (ChristianDemocrat/EPP), who had expressed fears that some Ships sold by France to Russia might, eventually, be abused against Baltic States in the Future, Longuet expressed the view that "it's no more Westwards that Russia might have Problems, but elsewhere", so that EU should rather conclude a Stategic Partnership with Russia, and, whoever might feel unsafe, should better wish and act for the development of EU common Defence policy.
- The Protection of EU's external borders "doesn't exist yet", but "we (EU Countries) have to build it", admitted afterwards MEP Landsbergis from the Baltic area, speaking later with "EuroFora".
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- "It might be too soon to create an EU Army", smiled the experienced President of EU Parliament's Security and Defence Committee, French ChristianDemocrat/EPP MEP Arnould Danjean, speaking to "EuroFora", who, initially astonished, reminded him that he was, himself, EU's Rapporteur for the "Strategic Autonomy of the European Security/Defence policy", which was strongly supported by a clear Majority of MEPs who voted in favor in Strasbourg already since March 2010.
+ However, Danjean prefered, for the time being, to support the practical, concrete and strategic proposal tabled anew by Minister Longuet and others for the creation of an EU "HeadQuarters"' able to coordinate, organize and operate a Collective Operation by willing EU Member States, (i.e. precisely like EUROCORPS !)
=> Even more importantly, Chairman Danjean agreed spontaneously with "EuroFora" that such kind of Structures as, f.ex. EUROCORPS, EU's HQ, etc, able to act both inside and outside of NATO, i.e. also Autonomously, could be an ideal solution in order to succesfuly propose also some Key common projects with Strategic Countries which are reluctant or afraid of NATO's immixion, such as Russia, since a purely European Structure might help to alleviate Moscow's a.o.'s fears or reluctance vis a vis NATO, in order to lift its Veto at the UN SC over eventual International action, f.ex. in one among the most important Hotspots at this moment, such as Syria, etc.
+ Even more important, a purely European Defence structure could also liberate the EU from any Risk of more .. Turkish "VETOs", the experienced Danjean added, reminding a notoriously Grave and recurrent Problem, which threatened to put some Obstacles even at recently at the beginning of the International Coalition's operation to protect the Libyan People (since March 2011), and has already provoked too many Deadlocks, on various Hotspots, from the Balkans to Afghanistan, etc, to the point that even USA President Obama can't have forgotten the astonishing experience of NATO's 60th Anniversary Summit's blockade by Turkey for more than 2 Days, back on April 2009 in Strasbourg, because of Ankara's stubborn opposal to the election of its new Secretary General, former Danish Prime Minister Anders Rasmusen, which was only overcome after provoking an awful Waste of Time and Energy, and only after making to Turkey many concrete concessions inside NATO's secretariat, despite its growing profile as Troublemaker ...
(The French Minister had a long discussion with EPP's ESDP spokesman, mainstream Spanish MEP Salafranca).
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It's important to create a synergy between "mutually stimulating" EU Countries' moves in order to overcome an "Unjust" Crisis "imported from USA", stressed new French Minister for Economic Revival, Patrick Devedjian, in Strasbourg, warning also that, while hoping for a vigorous Obama US Plan, nevertheless, "Time" is of essence for Europe...
In fact, it's EU's own interest to act Fast, before June 2009 EU Election, since, with Lisbon Treaty not ratified yet, it cannot face again the risk of a Majority Abstention, as back in 1999 and 2004, nor another "anti-EU" mood among Citizens, as in the 2005 French and Dutch "No", followed by the 2008 Irish "No", without endangering rare Historic opportunities, currently open for the EU, whose future is at stake.
From Social issues up to High-Tech Scientific Research, concrete action for Economic revival started from Strasbourg and its European dimension, for the new super-Minister Patrick Devedjian, who visited a Popular Social Housing and Infrastructure project at nearby Hagenau village, before meeting new leaders of Strasbourg's unified mega-University in a Scientific Labo at the Campus, close to EU Parliament and CoE headquarters.
Devedjian, who met also with all the spectrum of Local Political deciders of Alsace region, close to FrancoGerman borders, wants for deeds to meet the words, in real practice, whenever politicians speak about Strasbourg and Europe's development.
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Devedjan to "EuroFora" : "European coordination can act as a multiplicator by mutual stimulations"
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Devedjian was questioned by "Euro-Fora" on his expectations for reciprocal effects of coordinated European plans :
- "We are living in a (European and Global) system where borders are transparent : When we take measures in France, they produce effects also in Germany, in Belgium, Italy, Spain, or other EU countries, and vice-versa. "So, we can have mutually stimulating effects between national revival Plans, if they are somehow coordinated", ..."They can augment each other's effects, acting as multiplicators and levers". "As a State stimulates Local authorities and Private business, similarly, each EU country's economic revival plan may multiply the effects of other EU countries' actions", he told us.
- "F.ex., when I visited Strasbourg University's Scientific labos, they told me that part of the renovation, funded by France, is realized by German companies located only a few Kms away from the border. Thus, the French revival plan benefits also the German economy. And vice-versa : when Germany takes certain measures, they can have beneficial effects also for French companies"
In an era of Globalisation, "nobody can close and isolate himself inside a Fish-Bowl !", he concluded.
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Economy's revival starts from Strasbourg and Europe, for new French Minister Devedjian
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This could be one of the reasons for which the new French Minister for Economic Stimulus chose to make his 1st visit to Strasbourg, the headquarters of European and Paneuropean Institutions, in the Franco-German river borders at the heart of Europe.
- "It was President Sarkozy's idea", he revealed, adding also fresh "support to Strasbourg's European vocation, not only with words, but also with deeds" :F.ex., the completion of a High-Speed Train network, due to stimulate fast links with Germany, Austria, Italy, Hungary and other central EU Countries.
- "This Crisis is Unjust for Europe, because it wasn't its fault". The greatest part of the "Crisis was imported from the USA, where problems are deeper than here'', in the EU. The Crisis "wasn't due to a bad managment by Europe", who was affected by problems which emerged elsewhere. That's why Europe must be united and active enough to face this challenge. said Devedjian, who has just won +5% in popularity...
- "I hope that there will be an "Obama-effect" also on Economy, and that the Plan of the New American President will be substantial enough to face this crisis, which is worse in the USA than in our area", Europe, he added.
"Economic Revival overcomes political divisions : F.ex. Strasbourg's Socialist Mayor "Ries agreed that State actions funded by Public Debt are justified during such exceptional circumstances", noted the Center-Right republican Minister.
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"Zeitnot" for 2009 EU Elections ?
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"My problem is Time", stressed Devedjian from the outset, at Strasbourg's University. "I have to engage 75% of funds in 2009, out of a total of 29 Billion euros", he explained later. "Monitoring will be of essence", because we must "avoid bureaucracy or delays. No project should get lost or neglected in complex meanders of adminstrative offices' moving sands", he warned.
- "I must create activities in the middle of the Crisis", he added. Questioned by EuroFora whether he aims to start creating some "hopes before the June 2009 EU Elections", Devedjian, a former leader of the Governing Political Party in France: UMP, did not immediately reply, but revealed, later, that he "hoped to start at least some Projects on May 2009, even if the bulk of Revival Plan's effects are "expected from Autumn 2009".
However, with only 30% of EU Citizens currently aiming to cast a vote at the forthcoming EU Elections on June, (See other NewStory), the coordinated moves' results are expected to be crucial for Citizens' participation and votes at the forthcoming June 2009 EU Elections throughout all 27 EU Member Countries...Thus, it's vital for all Europe's own Future that coordinated national Economic revival plans start to have concrete results and create hopes for new dynamics before the June 2009 EU Election...
A real challenge, since careful choices are needed : Our aim is to fund projects which "create activities", even "in the middle of the crisis", and have a "lever effect, attracting other investments", Devedjian said. Because the "Stimulus' Plan has 2 aims : A Tactical one : to create New Activities. And a Strategic one : Choose what can become efficient and useful also in the Long-term".
- "Are you ready ?", he asked Strasbourg University's new President, professor Alain Beretz, with some 700 million euros in his pockets for Education-Research in France. - "We are !", he replied.
- "The Minister's initiative can accelerate funds, and Time is important for us. This concerns the entire renovation of all our buildings", said to "EuroFora" President, Beretz. "I showed some Scientific Research Labos to Mr. Devedjian. But, If we had more time, I could show him also some Education Amphis, whose condition needs to meet Strasbourg's new Mega-University's ambition" to reach the 10 best in the World, as Prime Minister Fillon earlier anounced here.
(Devedjian kicks off his Economic Revival tour from Strasbourg University, meeting with its new chairman Beretz, at Scientific Institute Le Bel)
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Regional Prefectures should gather and select projects to be presented for decision before the end of January 2009.
A well-known close friend of President Sarkozy, who succeeded as EU Chairman to launch, in agreement with German chancelor Merkel and even British prime minister Brown, vigorous EU actions against the Financial/Economic Crisis, (starting from the 1st Historic Summit of EuroZone's Heads of State/Government, October 12 at Elysee Palace, followed by Washington G20 Global Summit), Devedjan will have a key role in the realisation of National and EU plans recently agreed in Brussels.
President Sarkozy is expected to arrive himself in Strasbourg, on the occasion of the official inauguration of its brand New Mega-Hospital, on the 9th of January 2009, at the eve of EU Parliament's session here, Elysee confirmed shortly after Devedjian's visit.
EU is due to review its economic revival plans at March 2009 EU Council in Prague, before the April 2 London Global Summit.
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Multi-facet concrete activities at focus : Stimulus Minister Devedjian at the Political, Social and High-Tech fronts in Strasbourg...