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Sarkozy: Greece 2001 €uro entry = Error. Shroeder:"didn't know". Santer to EuroFora:I warned to wait

Ecrit par ACM
mardi, 08 novembre 2011

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The debate on the Causes of the Sovereign Debt Crisis provoked in Greece, and the real situation in the rest of €uroarea, while Sovereign Debt problems are even Worse in the USA, Japan, and many and various other Countries all over the World, (as also a recent Graphic reminds), while €uro Currency itself remains surprisingly Strong and robust at almost 1 €= 1,39 $, started to spread among Top EU Politicians more and more frequently and intensively, to the point that experienced observers estimate that it might even extend up to the French 2012, German 2013, and EU Parliament's 2014 forthcoming Elections :

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- 2011 G8 - G20 Chairman, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking today at Strasbourg's University in the presence of Journalists including "EuroFora" on  the recent G20 Cannes' Summit and €uroarea developments in Economy, took the opportunity offered by the question of a Franco-German Universities' young student on the whether Global Crisis created the need to advance towards an European Federal project, in order to give a sharp Historic overview of Past, Present and Future topical issues related to €uroarea's developments :


* At first , Sarkozy stressed the particular importance of €uroarea today :


- "The old debate which opposed a Federal to a Conferederal vision for Europe's Future, has been bypassed, recently, also because it has become impossible to speak about a Federation when it comes to EU Enlargement, since the 27 EU Member Countries will have to enlarge towards the Balkans etc., arriving at 33 or 35 States in all, where it's no more possible to have a Federation", he observed.


-  Because, "it will become less and less possible to have exactly the Same Rules on all Political, Economic, Circulation, and other matters, among all 27 (and later 33 or 35) EU Member Countries".


=> So, "in substance, there will be (in Future) 2 Speeds : (a) A Confederal EU zone, and (b) An €urozone with more Convergence, deeper Integration", the French President announced.


>>> Thus, "€uro is becoming the Heart of Europe", so that "we can Never let it down, without taking the Risk to provoke a series of Explosions in Europe, he warned.


    In fact, "€uro" Currency is Strong : F.ex., when it was introduced, 1 € worthed 1 US. $, he reminded. But, now 1 € = 1,37 $, showing that it's not  a so-called "weak" currency at all, contrary to what some claim, Sarkozy noted.


    - However, it's easy to understand today that those who "introduced a Common Currency as the €uro in the Past, without even raising the question of its Economic Governance", did a good job but incomplete, he started to criticize, (apparently ommitting to mention the detailed but Politically pertinent fact, that those who really Initiated the €uro had already warned, f.ex. in a landmark EU Parliament Debate in Strasbourg on Europe's "State of the Union", as early as back on 1995, that EU Citizens wil soon start to feel a Contradiction revealing that the Transfert of Monetary Powers to an EU level could not stay without also another, Economic Policy transfert towards the EU, so that People will start asking for it"... The problem being that those EU Politicians who followed immediately afterwards, didn't advance further on time).


    - Because of such Delays, "that Economic System, as it was initially, (i.e. incomplete), not only didn't lead to Convergent Economies" among €uro Countries, "but it even pushed towards Diverging Economies", Sarkozy observed critically, (according also to the conclusions of a July 2008 Press Conference, at nearby Frankfurt, on the sidelines of ECB's 10th Anniversary Summit, by IMF's EU Director, Alexander, who, replying to an "EuroFora"'s co-founder's Question, replied by stressing the need to find ways of Convergence inside the EU, after observing that Growth diverged very much between Member Countries.


    + "Moreover, some" former Goverenments of the Past, "allowed to Drop the Rules" of €urozone, practically "throwing them away", he denounced.


    >>> In this context, came also "the entry of Greece into €urozone (as early as) since 2001, and this was an Error !", Sarkozy criticized, (after also relevant statements made recently the former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, Historic "Father" of EU's reUnification).


    - "It was as if they've put things upside down", ("ils ont mis la charue avant les boeufs"). But, "you can't do anything, and afterwards escape to banqueroute". - "That's all the meaning of the Political Debate" nowadays, he warned.


    - "Some tell me that Greece is the cradle of European Civilisation", and, therefore, can't be out of €urozone. "But, what relation with the Common Currency ?", he wondered, (apparently missing the point that, without strong and classical Civilisation symbols; €urozone could never develop also a specific Political Identity, despite its destiny to evolve probably into a kind of Federation : Comp. supra)...  


    => Thus, now, "it's up to Today's Leaders to Catch up and Redress the approximations  of the Past". - F.ex. "Greece, now, has undertaken to make considerable, absolutely Considerable Efforts", he underlined.


    - But, "the (Global) Crisis oblige us to take Decisions very Fast". And "it's not about Elections, National or Regional/Local, European etc. But about a Country's Future", he  warned.


    => Thus, today, in €uroarea, "we must Build a Model which Brings us all Together and lifts us Upwards", Sarkozy concluded.

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    - Pointing out that "this goes through Efforts, Work, Education, Research, Innovation", where, "as I've just saw in the (Historic but radically reNovated) Library of Strasbourg's University, the real Value of its Heritage, are not just Books and Buildings, but the People who work, struggle and innovate there, f.ex. with its New Campus project, and its "Initiatives for the Future" which succeeded to be selected for State Funding from the 36 Billions € strong Great Loan", (anounced by Sarkozy precisely in Strasbourg/Geispolsheim, on December 2009, see "EuroFora"s NewsReports from the spot).


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Shroeder : "Didn't know"...
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    But, one of the main protagonists of the 1999-2001 drama, former Chancellor of Germany, Herhard Schroeder, ("Socialist"), recently claimed that he "didn't see", then, the fact that one of €uroZone's candidates didn't meet at all the Criteria  :


    - Schroeder reportedly claimed that he "didn't have a crystal-clear view of the financial situation in Greece at that period", i.e. ignored the excessive Debt which had been provoked by notoriously Nepotist recruitment of PASOK's "clients" or even political lackeys in counter-productive cushy-jobs at the State-controlled sectors, since, particularly, the 1980 Decade.


    - "If we knew, we'd probably have taken another, differend Decision", he added, going on to criticize his successors for not taking enough measures to rectify the situation immediately when it was revealed, later-on, that Greece's Debt's numbers were, in fact, much greater...


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Santer to "EuroFora" : - "I warned ...to wait"
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    But, experienced former EU Commission's President, and f. Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Jacques Santer, (a ChristianDemocrat/EPP), speaking earlier to "EuroFora" in Strasbourg , gave an Opposite Version of that which used now former "Socialist" German Chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder, on the conditions and the Timing of Greece's entry in €uroZone, decided back on 1999-2000 :


    - "I Warned, then, Semites", (i.e. former Prime Minister of Greece, then, a German-educated "Socialist"), "that Greece should wait", until it succesfully accomplishes necessary Reforms, before it enters €urozone, he remembered.


    - "But he (Semites, i.e. the former "Socialist" Prime Minister of Greece then, who won the April 2000 Elections based on Greece's €uro entry, even with less than 1% of the votes' difference, staying in power for 4 more years) Refused !", revealed Jacques Santer in his reply to "EuroFora"s question.


    + "And afterwards, my successor, didn't pay attention,  and he went on" with Greece's too early entry in €urozone, he added, pointing at Italian Center-Left politician Prodi, (who hadn't yet, at that moment, any significant experience on EU issues, and, therefore, had been, then, at least for a while, obliged to take advise, inter alia, also by a controversial Italian Journalist, Frederico Cerri, who had recently been personally linked to Turkish "Deep State" circles for reasons related merely to some aspects of his "Private" life)...


    Indeed, as it is well known, Santer's EU Commission fell victim, during 1999, to an unprecedented Slandering and orchestrated, Negative Media, systematic campaign, which reportedly claimed, among others,  that he would be responsible for not sanctioning on time EU Commisssion's Brussels' Security service' Corruption Scandal, (for acts going back to its former French "Socialist" predecessor, Delors), obliging  Santer to resign after it convinced many MEPs in EU Parliament in Strasbourg to vote against him.


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Oli Rehn to German "'Green" MEP  : - "You skiped the Rules !"
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    Meanwhile, another critical view Opposed to Schroeder's claims came by EU Commissioner in charge of Economy, Finnish Liberal Oli Rehn, while speaking to EU Parliament's Economic Committee, earlier in Strasbourg ;


    - Rehn became spectacularly Angry with an intervention by a German "Green" MEP, whose Party he accused to have supported in the Past (1998-2004) a Coalition Government which altered and softened €uroZone's Rules, in Greece's and others' cases, judged to be Reponsible for "Laxist" Financial policies, from the Negative Consequences of which Europe suffers today.


    The EU Commissioner obviously referred to the "Socialists" - "Greens" former Government Coalition in Germany, med by Gerhard Shroeder and Joshka Fischer, the latter being particularly known as a former Foreign Minister whose Party had been then seriously abd systematically infiltrated by many organised Turkish immigrants' lobbies :


    - A Fact of obvious relevance for any eventual  Investigation on €urozone Crisis' real causes, since Semites had managed to snatch the April 2000 Greek Elections (See supra) notoriously thanks to a Politico-Financial deal with big EU Governments ("Socialists" then) of the kind : - "We close our eyes on your Debt" (steming from many PASOK's "clients" and/or Lackeys massively hired in counter-poductive, cushy-jobs at the State-controlled sector during the 1980 Decade), in exchange of "you closing your mouth on Turkey's" controversial and unpopular EU bid, when, between December 1999 and December 2000, Ankara was given an EU "Candidate" Status, allowing it to start receiving up to almost 1 Billion € each year from EU Taxpayers' Money as a Grant, despite the persistence of many Serious Violations of Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law, illegal Military Occupation of part of Cyprus, Turkish Army Threats against Greece in the Aegean, hinderig EU Member Athens to Peacefully exploit probable Oil-Gas resources in the bottom of the Sea, Kurdish problem, even Violent and Noisy Refusal against Countries Recognizing the Armenian Genocide, Military Interventions of the Turkish Arrmy inside Iraq, etc.


     + Rhen's move was followed, shortly afterwards, by a similar Criticism on Greece's case even by experienced former long-time Chancellor of German Helmut Kohl, a ChristianDemocrat, Historic "Father" of Europe's Reunification, who also denounced the former "Socialist" Governments'' Errors made back on 1999-2000, concerning Greece's too early entry into €urozone,  even before doing necessary Reforms, at the same time that Turkey was given, in exchange, a lucrative EU Candidate Status even without meeting yet the EU conditions (see supra).


    => This growing controversy, among key EU Top Politcians, on such important issues;  clearly indicate a real possibility to be included also in 2012-2014 Franco-German and EU Electoral Debates. 

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(NDLR : "DraftNews", as already sent earlier to "EuroFora"s Sunscribers/Donors. A complete and more accurate Final Version is due asap).

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Hu Jia's prize brings SAKHAROV's wife to "EuroFora" on murders of Journalists Politkofskaya, Gongadze and Adali :

- Elena Bonner : "All Journalists' murders must be fully investigated", without Double Standards.                                                                                    

During a special Mega-Event to celebrate 20 Years of SAKHAROV Prize for "Freedom of Thought", attributed in 2008 by EU Parliament to jailed Chinese Cyber-Dissident Hu JIA, the move was reinforced by strongly criticizing the persisting impunity in three cases of Journalists' Murders, such as POLITKOVSKAYA in Russia, GONGADZE in Ukraine, and ADALI in Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus.

Any bureaucratic doubt about whether Cyber-dissidents like Hu JIA might have, or not, a right to be protected as all Journalists must be, particularly when they take risks to search, find and publish original and critical News on issues of general interest to the society, could not resist to the emotion provoked by the message of his Wife, Zeng JINYAN spectacularly transmitted at a big screen in EU Parliament's hemicycle :

- "The most important and most interesting thing he did was to ... say the Truth :.. to write about the phenomena he observed... He never stopped Publishing.. on websites, so that the Public could learn about the reality .. and understand it.  In my view, this has been his greatest contribution", stressed the young wife of the jailed man, eager to cite also the cases of other critical journalists who faced various kinds of "harassment".

 - "Welcoming all those who have suffered for defending Human Rights", EU Parliament's President, German MEP Hans Gert POETTERING, who had invited to Strasbourg all former Sakharov prize-winners from various Countries throughout the World, said that "China needs Europe, and Europe needs China : A great nation" with which "we want to have a good relationship", "association and ..friendship". "But we are never going to stop our fight for Human Rights, and No Government can expect this from us".

    - "It's impossible  to achieve goals of Peace, if Human Rights are left out. In fact, Peace and Human Rights are intrinsequaly linked", added POETTERING.

    It's in this spirit that MEPs adopted, on Thursday, a Resolution denouncing that "the criminal
investigation and trial following the murder of (a) Journalist ...raises serious concerns with regard to transparency and respect for the rule of law", when a "brutal killing has not yet been fully investigated and solved in a satisfactory way".

    The text refered to dissident Journalist "Anna POLITOVSKAYA", a critic of Tchechen conflict, killed some years ago in Moscow, where Russian Authorities have found, arrested and are currently judging two executants, while also searching to arrest also a 3rd one, allegedly escaped in Belgium. But they have not yet found the instigators.

     Similar texts were adopted recently also on dissident Ukranian Journalist Georgiy GONGADZE's murder, for which Ukranian Authorities have at least found, arrested and condemned 2 executants to 12 and 13 Years of jail, but not yet the instigators. For that purpose, they recently accepted an International Experts team to participate to the investigations.     

But, it's only for the Murder of dissident Turkish Cypriot Journalist ADALI, in the occupied territories of Cyprus, that Turkey has NOT yet found ANYONE responsible, and even claimed recently inside CoE that it would be "impossible" to do so !    

These astonishing differences exist despite the fact that ECHR condemned alike Ukraine and Turkey with 2 Judgements on the same year : 2005, for the murders of  Journalists GONGADZE and ADALI, strong critics of Corruption in Ukraine, and of Ankara's policies on mass-influx of Turkish Settlers in the Occupied Territories of Cyprus, respectively.    

Regarless of that, CoE's Committee of Ministers, who is entrusted with the duty to supervise execution of ECHR's judgements, has just asked Ukraine's Government to reply to further questions on Gongadze's murder before March 2009, while Turkey, curiously, got a longer postponement for answering questions on Adali's murder, until June...   

A comparison of these cases, raises serious questions about Double Standards :

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On TRANSPARENCY :
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    On Gongadze's murder, CoE's body speaks even about the participation of
"an INTERNATIONAL group of Experts" in the Investigation, (f.ex. of "Tape Recordings"), accepted by Ukraine.
    On the contrary, on Adali's murder, CoE is obliged to repeatedly ask (for a 2nd
time) Turkey whether, at least, it informed the victims' Family, or not...
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- On EFFICIENCY :
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On Gongadze's murder, CoE formally "recalls that the Committee (of Ministers) ..URGED the Ukranian authorities.. to TAKE ALL NECESSARY INVESTIGATIVE STEPS TO ACHIEVE CONCRETE and VISIBLE RESULTS in the INVESTIGATION, aimed at the Identification of the INSTIGATORS and Organisers of the Murder", and "STRONGLY INVITED the Ukranian Authorities to provide information on the PROGRESS IN THE INVESTIGATION", before MARCH 2009.

But, on Adali's murder, on the contrary, CoE's body merely .. "took note" of the "arguments presented by" Cyprus, which denounce the absence of any proof of new "investigation" by Turkey. Following Turkey's own suggestion (!), it simply "noted" that there is "no limitation period" for "any new element" to "lead potentialy (sic !) to a Re-Opening of the Investigation". Without saying who might find any such "new" fact, since Turkey stoped searching... It also POSTPONED the issue until .. JUNE  !
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 - On the PUNISHMENT OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE :
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 -  On Gongadze's murder case, Ukranian Authorities already arrested and condemned, at least 2 suspects, to 12 and 13 Years of jail. And on Politkovskaya's murder at least 2 suspects are judged, and a 3rd one "wanted".

On the contrary, on Adali's murder case, the Turkish authorities simply claim that "it had not been possible to obtain new .. information .. on the basis of which criminal charges could be brought against ANY person" !...

Moreover,  a LETTER sent by Turkey ...2 Years after CoE's 2006 call to re-investigate anew Adali's murder case, is totally EMPTY of Facts ! As Cypus' Delegation denounced earlier, Turkey's Letter ONLY CLAIMS that a "New Investigation" was made without any result, but does NOT even cite ANY FACT to prove it :

F.ex.,on the crucial issue of the "MOTIVATIONS" behind Adali's murder, noted by ECHR, Turkey MERELY CLAIMS that "all allegations  were investigated; without result", but OMITS ANY FACT TO PROVE IT !..(It doesn't even remind which were these "allegations").. .

+ On ECHR's astonishment that the Turkish Occupation regime didn't produce any "BALLISTIC REPORT" on the Shots which murdered Adali, Turkey again repeats, 12 years later, that, still, even until now, "it  was not possible to obtain the BalisticReport"...

- As for the astonishing absence of key-WITNESSES' Testimonies, denounced by ECHR, Turkey agains repeats various pretexts avoiding to reveal anything, (Fex. that a person "left" the Occupied Territories  "on 2002", or that another witness was heard, but without revealing nothing of what he said, etc).

Turkey obviously "FAILS TO MEET THE CRITICISM made BY THE COURT" for lack of any efficient Investigation in Adali's case, concluded Cyprus' Government.
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Replying to our Question which COMPARED these 3 outstanding cases of "JOURNALISTS MURDERS", Adali, Gongadze and Politkovskaya, in order to avoid "Double Standards" by asking from Ukraine and Russia more than what is asked EU candidate Turkey, many European personalities were critical /

They criticised Ankara's recent claim at the CoE to stop investigating, because it would be "impossible to find anyone" responsible for the 5 bullet shots which killed Kutlu ADALI in front of his Family Home, contrary to the other two Journalists' murders, where Ukraine and Russia at least arrested the executants, searching now for the instigators :
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    - "Where was that ? In Turkish Occupied Cyprus ? WITHOUT ANY DOUBT : Any murder of Journalist should be investigated in full ! All these Murders must be investigated !", replied the famous SAKHAROV's wife, Elena BONNER to our question on Adali's case, compared to Gongadze and Politofskaya.

    Elena Bonner spoke us EXCLUSIVELY shortly after being honored by the President
of EU Parliament on the occasion of 20 Years of her husband's SAKHAROV Prize.

    A strong personality, Sakharov's wife even had to struggle against an anonymous EU staffer who, astonishingly, tried to stop her speaking when h heard our question on "Turkey" (!) : - "Please, let me translate, she continues
speaking, don't stop us !", had to cry Sakharov's daughter, (a Journalist
herself), who was translating her mothers' reply, (obliged to speak louder to
make her voice heard despite the harassment).. (= + Audio Proof !)

    Earlier, Elena Bonner also fustigated "Double Standards" at another case, on
Western countries' attitude vis a vis Kosovo and the Kurds : -F.ex. "You have
recognized a few 400.000 Kosovars as an "independent" country, but you still
deny that to 30 millions of Kurds in Turkey !", she denounced.
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    - "This (ADALI's murder) is an issue which should be pursued by the Committee
for Human Rights. That's why we have one, and it's its duty to examine cases of
Journalists' murders as the one you referred to. You should bring the case in
front of that Committee", suggested in reply to our question on Adali, EU
Parliament's President, German MEP Hans Gert POETTERING.

    - "It's impossible  to achieve goals of PEACE, if HUMAN RIGHTS are left out :
in fact, Peace and Human Rights are intrinsequaly linked", added POETTERING.
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    + "For us (European/International Federation of Journalists) it's clear :
Whenever a Journalist is Murdered, the Investigation should continue until
those Responsible are found !", replied earlier to another question on ADALI
EFJ/IFJ's Secretary General, Aidan WHITE.

    Speaking as a matter of General Principle, White asked us for "concrete data"
on the execution of ECHR's judgement on Adali case, in order to "look at it in
depth" and "make a formal statement", in comparison with the other Murdered
Journalist case, also pending at CoE's  Ministers for completing its execution,
on Ukranian Gongadze.
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     From EU Rapporteur on Human Rights, vice-President of EU Parliament Liberties' Committee, MEP Giusto CATANIA, we were told that, since there is an ECHR judgement in both Adali and Gongadge's cases, "Turkey must naturally execute the judgement and make a full and efficient investigation, until those responsible for the Journalist's murder are found and punished".

    Even if "we (Catania's "EuroLeft" Group) support Turkey's EU perspectives, this does not mean that Ankara should not behave properly. On the contrary, it means that they have to meet tough conditions, particularly on Human Rights", was added on the occasion of Adali's murder case.

    Moreover, "since you raise the issue of Mr. Adali's muder as a part of a Series of Journalist's murders, including fex. Gongadze, Politkovskaya, ao., tthen we (EU) could also act together with CoE's Commissioner on Human Rights, Thomas HAMMARBERG, it was suggested.

    - "We (EU) must step up efforts against the problem of IMPUNITY : Real Peace cannot exist without Justice",  stressed also this week at EU Parliament in Strasbourg, French Minister on Human Rights, Mrs Rama YADE.
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