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Sarkozy: Greece 2001 €uro entry = Error. Shroeder:"didn't know". Santer to EuroFora:I warned to wait
Sarkozy: Greece 2001 €uro entry = Error. Shroeder:"didn't know". Santer to EuroFora:I warned to wait

The debate on the Causes of the Sovereign Debt Crisis provoked in Greece, and the real situation in the rest of €uroarea, while Sovereign Debt problems are even Worse in the USA, Japan, and many and various other Countries all over the World, (as also a recent Graphic reminds), while €uro Currency itself remains surprisingly Strong and robust at almost 1 €= 1,39 $, started to spread among Top EU Politicians more and more frequently and intensively, to the point that experienced observers estimate that it might even extend up to the French 2012, German 2013, and EU Parliament's 2014 forthcoming Elections :

- 2011 G8 - G20 Chairman, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking today at Strasbourg's University in the presence of Journalists including "EuroFora" on the recent G20 Cannes' Summit and €uroarea developments in Economy, took the opportunity offered by the question of a Franco-German Universities' young student on the whether Global Crisis created the need to advance towards an European Federal project, in order to give a sharp Historic overview of Past, Present and Future topical issues related to €uroarea's developments :
* At first , Sarkozy stressed the particular importance of €uroarea today :
- "The old debate which opposed a Federal to a Conferederal vision for Europe's Future, has been bypassed, recently, also because it has become impossible to speak about a Federation when it comes to EU Enlargement, since the 27 EU Member Countries will have to enlarge towards the Balkans etc., arriving at 33 or 35 States in all, where it's no more possible to have a Federation", he observed.
- Because, "it will become less and less possible to have exactly the Same Rules on all Political, Economic, Circulation, and other matters, among all 27 (and later 33 or 35) EU Member Countries".
=> So, "in substance, there will be (in Future) 2 Speeds : (a) A Confederal EU zone, and (b) An €urozone with more Convergence, deeper Integration", the French President announced.
>>> Thus, "€uro is becoming the Heart of Europe", so that "we can Never let it down, without taking the Risk to provoke a series of Explosions in Europe, he warned.
In fact, "€uro" Currency is Strong : F.ex., when it was introduced, 1 € worthed 1 US. $, he reminded. But, now 1 € = 1,37 $, showing that it's not a so-called "weak" currency at all, contrary to what some claim, Sarkozy noted.
- However, it's easy to understand today that those who "introduced a Common Currency as the €uro in the Past, without even raising the question of its Economic Governance", did a good job but incomplete, he started to criticize, (apparently ommitting to mention the detailed but Politically pertinent fact, that those who really Initiated the €uro had already warned, f.ex. in a landmark EU Parliament Debate in Strasbourg on Europe's "State of the Union", as early as back on 1995, that EU Citizens wil soon start to feel a Contradiction revealing that the Transfert of Monetary Powers to an EU level could not stay without also another, Economic Policy transfert towards the EU, so that People will start asking for it"... The problem being that those EU Politicians who followed immediately afterwards, didn't advance further on time).
- Because of such Delays, "that Economic System, as it was initially, (i.e. incomplete), not only didn't lead to Convergent Economies" among €uro Countries, "but it even pushed towards Diverging Economies", Sarkozy observed critically, (according also to the conclusions of a July 2008 Press Conference, at nearby Frankfurt, on the sidelines of ECB's 10th Anniversary Summit, by IMF's EU Director, Alexander, who, replying to an "EuroFora"'s co-founder's Question, replied by stressing the need to find ways of Convergence inside the EU, after observing that Growth diverged very much between Member Countries.
+ "Moreover, some" former Goverenments of the Past, "allowed to Drop the Rules" of €urozone, practically "throwing them away", he denounced.
>>> In this context, came also "the entry of Greece into €urozone (as early as) since 2001, and this was an Error !", Sarkozy criticized, (after also relevant statements made recently the former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, Historic "Father" of EU's reUnification).
- "It was as if they've put things upside down", ("ils ont mis la charue avant les boeufs"). But, "you can't do anything, and afterwards escape to banqueroute". - "That's all the meaning of the Political Debate" nowadays, he warned.
- "Some tell me that Greece is the cradle of European Civilisation", and, therefore, can't be out of €urozone. "But, what relation with the Common Currency ?", he wondered, (apparently missing the point that, without strong and classical Civilisation symbols; €urozone could never develop also a specific Political Identity, despite its destiny to evolve probably into a kind of Federation : Comp. supra)...
=> Thus, now, "it's up to Today's Leaders to Catch up and Redress the approximations of the Past". - F.ex. "Greece, now, has undertaken to make considerable, absolutely Considerable Efforts", he underlined.
- But, "the (Global) Crisis oblige us to take Decisions very Fast". And "it's not about Elections, National or Regional/Local, European etc. But about a Country's Future", he warned.
=> Thus, today, in €uroarea, "we must Build a Model which Brings us all Together and lifts us Upwards", Sarkozy concluded.

- Pointing out that "this goes through Efforts, Work, Education, Research, Innovation", where, "as I've just saw in the (Historic but radically reNovated) Library of Strasbourg's University, the real Value of its Heritage, are not just Books and Buildings, but the People who work, struggle and innovate there, f.ex. with its New Campus project, and its "Initiatives for the Future" which succeeded to be selected for State Funding from the 36 Billions € strong Great Loan", (anounced by Sarkozy precisely in Strasbourg/Geispolsheim, on December 2009, see "EuroFora"s NewsReports from the spot).
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Shroeder : "Didn't know"...
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But, one of the main protagonists of the 1999-2001 drama, former Chancellor of Germany, Herhard Schroeder, ("Socialist"), recently claimed that he "didn't see", then, the fact that one of €uroZone's candidates didn't meet at all the Criteria :
- Schroeder reportedly claimed that he "didn't have a crystal-clear view of the financial situation in Greece at that period", i.e. ignored the excessive Debt which had been provoked by notoriously Nepotist recruitment of PASOK's "clients" or even political lackeys in counter-productive cushy-jobs at the State-controlled sectors, since, particularly, the 1980 Decade.
- "If we knew, we'd probably have taken another, differend Decision", he added, going on to criticize his successors for not taking enough measures to rectify the situation immediately when it was revealed, later-on, that Greece's Debt's numbers were, in fact, much greater...
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Santer to "EuroFora" : - "I warned ...to wait"
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But, experienced former EU Commission's President, and f. Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Jacques Santer, (a ChristianDemocrat/EPP), speaking earlier to "EuroFora" in Strasbourg , gave an Opposite Version of that which used now former "Socialist" German Chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder, on the conditions and the Timing of Greece's entry in €uroZone, decided back on 1999-2000 :
- "I Warned, then, Semites", (i.e. former Prime Minister of Greece, then, a German-educated "Socialist"), "that Greece should wait", until it succesfully accomplishes necessary Reforms, before it enters €urozone, he remembered.
- "But he (Semites, i.e. the former "Socialist" Prime Minister of Greece then, who won the April 2000 Elections based on Greece's €uro entry, even with less than 1% of the votes' difference, staying in power for 4 more years) Refused !", revealed Jacques Santer in his reply to "EuroFora"s question.
+ "And afterwards, my successor, didn't pay attention, and he went on" with Greece's too early entry in €urozone, he added, pointing at Italian Center-Left politician Prodi, (who hadn't yet, at that moment, any significant experience on EU issues, and, therefore, had been, then, at least for a while, obliged to take advise, inter alia, also by a controversial Italian Journalist, Frederico Cerri, who had recently been personally linked to Turkish "Deep State" circles for reasons related merely to some aspects of his "Private" life)...
Indeed, as it is well known, Santer's EU Commission fell victim, during 1999, to an unprecedented Slandering and orchestrated, Negative Media, systematic campaign, which reportedly claimed, among others, that he would be responsible for not sanctioning on time EU Commisssion's Brussels' Security service' Corruption Scandal, (for acts going back to its former French "Socialist" predecessor, Delors), obliging Santer to resign after it convinced many MEPs in EU Parliament in Strasbourg to vote against him.
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Oli Rehn to German "'Green" MEP : - "You skiped the Rules !"
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Meanwhile, another critical view Opposed to Schroeder's claims came by EU Commissioner in charge of Economy, Finnish Liberal Oli Rehn, while speaking to EU Parliament's Economic Committee, earlier in Strasbourg ;
- Rehn became spectacularly Angry with an intervention by a German "Green" MEP, whose Party he accused to have supported in the Past (1998-2004) a Coalition Government which altered and softened €uroZone's Rules, in Greece's and others' cases, judged to be Reponsible for "Laxist" Financial policies, from the Negative Consequences of which Europe suffers today.
The EU Commissioner obviously referred to the "Socialists" - "Greens" former Government Coalition in Germany, med by Gerhard Shroeder and Joshka Fischer, the latter being particularly known as a former Foreign Minister whose Party had been then seriously abd systematically infiltrated by many organised Turkish immigrants' lobbies :
- A Fact of obvious relevance for any eventual Investigation on €urozone Crisis' real causes, since Semites had managed to snatch the April 2000 Greek Elections (See supra) notoriously thanks to a Politico-Financial deal with big EU Governments ("Socialists" then) of the kind : - "We close our eyes on your Debt" (steming from many PASOK's "clients" and/or Lackeys massively hired in counter-poductive, cushy-jobs at the State-controlled sector during the 1980 Decade), in exchange of "you closing your mouth on Turkey's" controversial and unpopular EU bid, when, between December 1999 and December 2000, Ankara was given an EU "Candidate" Status, allowing it to start receiving up to almost 1 Billion € each year from EU Taxpayers' Money as a Grant, despite the persistence of many Serious Violations of Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law, illegal Military Occupation of part of Cyprus, Turkish Army Threats against Greece in the Aegean, hinderig EU Member Athens to Peacefully exploit probable Oil-Gas resources in the bottom of the Sea, Kurdish problem, even Violent and Noisy Refusal against Countries Recognizing the Armenian Genocide, Military Interventions of the Turkish Arrmy inside Iraq, etc.
+ Rhen's move was followed, shortly afterwards, by a similar Criticism on Greece's case even by experienced former long-time Chancellor of German Helmut Kohl, a ChristianDemocrat, Historic "Father" of Europe's Reunification, who also denounced the former "Socialist" Governments'' Errors made back on 1999-2000, concerning Greece's too early entry into €urozone, even before doing necessary Reforms, at the same time that Turkey was given, in exchange, a lucrative EU Candidate Status even without meeting yet the EU conditions (see supra).
=> This growing controversy, among key EU Top Politcians, on such important issues; clearly indicate a real possibility to be included also in 2012-2014 Franco-German and EU Electoral Debates.
(NDLR : "DraftNews", as already sent earlier to "EuroFora"s Sunscribers/Donors. A complete and more accurate Final Version is due asap).
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An "Eugenic" loophole Amendment, which might expose to Dangers reminiscent of "3rd Reich's" notorious Genetic Abuses, hidden at the last minute inside an otherwise Good, larger Health policy Package scheduled to be voted on Thursday, was strongly denounced by a coalition of MEPs from various Political Groups and Countries, in a Press Conference held this afternoon at EU Parliament in Strasbourg.
Mainly calling to "Select Human Embryos", via "Genetic Counselling" and "pre-implantation" Techniques including "Genetic Tests", in order to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", it might open ways to Dangerous Practices in Future, they denounced in substance.
But they also made it clear that a much larger Report inside which this Controversial Amendment "No 15" was added in dubious circumstances, officialy destinated to struggle against "Rare Diseases", and drafted by Professor Antonios Trakatellis, was otherwise "an Excellent Report", aiming at a "completely Uncontroversial target" of Health policy on which "all MEPs and Experts are united, believing that Europe should act" to protect People's Health (See "EuroFora"'s earlier News).
The controversy came at a particularly delicate moment for the EU in relation to Citizens, at the eve of June 2009 EU Elections, and shortly before Ireland re-votes for "Lisbon Treaty"..
- Denouncing risks of "an Eugenic demand, very similar to what we had during the 3rd Reich in Germany, but now coming from some Scientisists themselves", German ChristianDemocrat/EPP MEP Dr. Peter Liese stressed that critical MEPs were against "Eugenic" engineering with "Selection of Human Embryos", and anything which might ultimately lead up to to a "Selection of Human Race". It doesn't help to "eradicate" Human Lives, he added.
Several Experts and NGOs expressed "Deep Concern", as f;ex. DR M.C. Cornel of the "European Society of Human Genetics", which stressed, on this occasion, that "the importance of Non-Directiveness in Reproductive issues is a Central characteristic of Human Genetics, after the Atrocities committed in the name of Genetics in the first half or the 20th Century".
- "This is completely Unacceptable", stressed Italian Liberal MEP Vittorio Prodi, on the Controversial Amendment, also because pushes to "eliminate early Human Life", as he noted.
- "This opens a Dangerous Road, rather a Motorway", denounced Danish MEP Mrs Margrette Auken, from the "Greens", observing that various similar attempts were made in the Past "not only in Germany, but also in several other Countries, "even at the 1970ies", "f.ex. on forced Sterilisation of Roma" People, and other criticisable situations f.ex. in the UK, in Sweden, etc. as she said.
+ Other NGOs, as f.ex. "LebenHilfe" from Berlin, added that, among various other Risks, could also be that, by exploiting the pre-implantation Genetic Diagnostics and the Selection of "healthy" Embryos, some may "propagate" several "Eugenic" aims, starting f.ex. by pushing to eradicate Human Livies which might "Cost too much" to preserve, ultimately exposing to dangers reminiscent of the "3rd Reich"'s atrocious abuses.
In consequence, ChristianDemocrats/EPP and "Green" MEPs "decided by Majority to vote against" this Controversial Amendment, anounced to Journalists the 5 MEPs who participated in the Press Conference, representing a wide spectrum, from Liberals to "Greens" and ChristianDemocrats, and from Hungary, Italy, Germany and Danemark up to Ireland (Gay Mitchell), etc.
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Hungarian ChristianDemocrat MEP Laszlo Surjan said "that it was "Suddenly, at the End of the Procedure" in Committee, that "appeared this (Controversial) Amendment, which has nothing to do" with the main purpose of the Report, on which all agreed.
He denounced an "Unhonest" move, and called to "avoid this kind of unacceptable situations". Nobody should "Select People", Surjan stressed.
- "We (MEPs) had No Chance to Discuss" this last-minute Amendment earlier added at a Committee's level, said German MEP Peter Liese
Speaking to "EuroFora", Dr. Liese, the Spokesman of the ChristianDemocrat/EPP Group in EU Parliament, said that MEPs didn't oppose other references of the Report f.ex. on "Genetic Tests", because they were "no proposals" to impose them, while, on the contrary, there was "a Problem" if anyone attempted to "impose" f.ex. this or that Genetic Technique and "Genetic Counselling", etc. to the People on human reproduction.
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The precise Text :
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Controversial parts of Amendment No 15 ask mainly "to lead finally to the Eradication" of "Hereditary" "rare diseases", "through Genetic Counselling .., and ..pre-Implantation Selection of healthy Embryos".
But EU Rapporteur Professor Trakatellis, said to "EuroFora" that fears should be alleviated by Guarantees that all this should be done only "where appropriate", when it's "not contrary to existing National Law", and "always on a Voluntary basis", according to other Parts of the Amendment.
He stressed that the main aim was to allow "a free and informed choice of persons involved", without imposing them anything : - "It's not an obligatory, but advisary" text, he said.
To make that point clear, he was ready, in agreement with many MEPs, to eventually drop at least that part of the controversial Amendment which initially called for "efforts to ..lead finally to the Eradication of those rare diseases" "which are Hereditary".
But, until late Wednesday evening, reportedly together with many other MEPs, he stood by all the rest of the controversial Amendment, (fex. on the "Genetic Counselling" and the "pre-implantation Selection of healthy Embryos"), so that critical MEPs, going from ChristianDemocrats as Dr. Liese, to "Greens" or "Ind/Dem", observed to "EuroFora" that "this was not enough" to close the dangerous loophole.
Particularly since, as Professor Trakatellis noted himself, "this is already allowed to the U.K.", and "other National Legislations would probably follow, sooner or later" in a similar direction. As for a general call to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", this "should happen, at any case, in practice, de facto", to protect public Health.
On the contrary, "our goal should be to help patients suffering from rare diseases, not to eradicate the patients. In case of genetic disease risk, the decision should not be guided by scenarios" made by politicians. "Perents who may decide to accept a child, even if handicapped or with genetic disease, must be respected and supported with solidarity", critical MEPs stated.
- "Any Pressure" to "a patient or couple (who "should be able to make an informed choice consistent with their own values"),"from health Professionals, Public Health Policies or Governemental Institutions, or Society at large, should be avoided", stresses the "European Society for Human Genetics".
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Each MEP's vote will be registered !
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The Socialist Group requested a "Split vote" on the Amendment 15, first without, and afterwards with the words "lead finally to the Eradication" etc.
But the first "split vote" leaves intact all the other parts of the Controversial Amendment, (i.e. "Genetic Counselling", "Selection of healthy Embryos", etc).
That's why, 3 Groups of MEPs : ChristianDemocrats/EPP, "Greens/EFA", and "Ind/Dem", have asked for "Roll Call Votes", on everything regarding the Controversial Amendment No 15, and on the final outcome of the resulting Report as amended, which will register all the individual positions to be taken by each MEP.
Something which will obviously make each MEP think twice before voting for one or another choice, to be sure that he/she will make the right choice in front of EU Citizens, particularly at these pre-Election times...
Crucial Votes were scheduled between 12 Noon and 1 p.m. local Strasbourg time, in the middle of a long series of various other Reports, and after a long Public Debate on the larger Health policy package, from 9 to 11.50 am.
The specific Report inside which was hidden the controversial Amendment is due to be debated between 11 and 12 am.
So that more last-minute Surprises may not be excluded a priori...
Particularly at the present Historic moment, when even the Institutional Future of the EU depends on the result of a second Referendum on "Lisbon Treaty", later this year, in ...Ireland, a mainly Catholic country, where People are particularly sensitive in such kind of socio-cultural and values issues...

















