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Sarkozy: Greece 2001 €uro entry = Error. Shroeder:"didn't know". Santer to EuroFora:I warned to wait

Ecrit par ACM
Tuesday, 08 November 2011

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The debate on the Causes of the Sovereign Debt Crisis provoked in Greece, and the real situation in the rest of €uroarea, while Sovereign Debt problems are even Worse in the USA, Japan, and many and various other Countries all over the World, (as also a recent Graphic reminds), while €uro Currency itself remains surprisingly Strong and robust at almost 1 €= 1,39 $, started to spread among Top EU Politicians more and more frequently and intensively, to the point that experienced observers estimate that it might even extend up to the French 2012, German 2013, and EU Parliament's 2014 forthcoming Elections :

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- 2011 G8 - G20 Chairman, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking today at Strasbourg's University in the presence of Journalists including "EuroFora" on  the recent G20 Cannes' Summit and €uroarea developments in Economy, took the opportunity offered by the question of a Franco-German Universities' young student on the whether Global Crisis created the need to advance towards an European Federal project, in order to give a sharp Historic overview of Past, Present and Future topical issues related to €uroarea's developments :


* At first , Sarkozy stressed the particular importance of €uroarea today :


- "The old debate which opposed a Federal to a Conferederal vision for Europe's Future, has been bypassed, recently, also because it has become impossible to speak about a Federation when it comes to EU Enlargement, since the 27 EU Member Countries will have to enlarge towards the Balkans etc., arriving at 33 or 35 States in all, where it's no more possible to have a Federation", he observed.


-  Because, "it will become less and less possible to have exactly the Same Rules on all Political, Economic, Circulation, and other matters, among all 27 (and later 33 or 35) EU Member Countries".


=> So, "in substance, there will be (in Future) 2 Speeds : (a) A Confederal EU zone, and (b) An €urozone with more Convergence, deeper Integration", the French President announced.


>>> Thus, "€uro is becoming the Heart of Europe", so that "we can Never let it down, without taking the Risk to provoke a series of Explosions in Europe, he warned.


    In fact, "€uro" Currency is Strong : F.ex., when it was introduced, 1 € worthed 1 US. $, he reminded. But, now 1 € = 1,37 $, showing that it's not  a so-called "weak" currency at all, contrary to what some claim, Sarkozy noted.


    - However, it's easy to understand today that those who "introduced a Common Currency as the €uro in the Past, without even raising the question of its Economic Governance", did a good job but incomplete, he started to criticize, (apparently ommitting to mention the detailed but Politically pertinent fact, that those who really Initiated the €uro had already warned, f.ex. in a landmark EU Parliament Debate in Strasbourg on Europe's "State of the Union", as early as back on 1995, that EU Citizens wil soon start to feel a Contradiction revealing that the Transfert of Monetary Powers to an EU level could not stay without also another, Economic Policy transfert towards the EU, so that People will start asking for it"... The problem being that those EU Politicians who followed immediately afterwards, didn't advance further on time).


    - Because of such Delays, "that Economic System, as it was initially, (i.e. incomplete), not only didn't lead to Convergent Economies" among €uro Countries, "but it even pushed towards Diverging Economies", Sarkozy observed critically, (according also to the conclusions of a July 2008 Press Conference, at nearby Frankfurt, on the sidelines of ECB's 10th Anniversary Summit, by IMF's EU Director, Alexander, who, replying to an "EuroFora"'s co-founder's Question, replied by stressing the need to find ways of Convergence inside the EU, after observing that Growth diverged very much between Member Countries.


    + "Moreover, some" former Goverenments of the Past, "allowed to Drop the Rules" of €urozone, practically "throwing them away", he denounced.


    >>> In this context, came also "the entry of Greece into €urozone (as early as) since 2001, and this was an Error !", Sarkozy criticized, (after also relevant statements made recently the former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, Historic "Father" of EU's reUnification).


    - "It was as if they've put things upside down", ("ils ont mis la charue avant les boeufs"). But, "you can't do anything, and afterwards escape to banqueroute". - "That's all the meaning of the Political Debate" nowadays, he warned.


    - "Some tell me that Greece is the cradle of European Civilisation", and, therefore, can't be out of €urozone. "But, what relation with the Common Currency ?", he wondered, (apparently missing the point that, without strong and classical Civilisation symbols; €urozone could never develop also a specific Political Identity, despite its destiny to evolve probably into a kind of Federation : Comp. supra)...  


    => Thus, now, "it's up to Today's Leaders to Catch up and Redress the approximations  of the Past". - F.ex. "Greece, now, has undertaken to make considerable, absolutely Considerable Efforts", he underlined.


    - But, "the (Global) Crisis oblige us to take Decisions very Fast". And "it's not about Elections, National or Regional/Local, European etc. But about a Country's Future", he  warned.


    => Thus, today, in €uroarea, "we must Build a Model which Brings us all Together and lifts us Upwards", Sarkozy concluded.

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    - Pointing out that "this goes through Efforts, Work, Education, Research, Innovation", where, "as I've just saw in the (Historic but radically reNovated) Library of Strasbourg's University, the real Value of its Heritage, are not just Books and Buildings, but the People who work, struggle and innovate there, f.ex. with its New Campus project, and its "Initiatives for the Future" which succeeded to be selected for State Funding from the 36 Billions € strong Great Loan", (anounced by Sarkozy precisely in Strasbourg/Geispolsheim, on December 2009, see "EuroFora"s NewsReports from the spot).


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Shroeder : "Didn't know"...
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    But, one of the main protagonists of the 1999-2001 drama, former Chancellor of Germany, Herhard Schroeder, ("Socialist"), recently claimed that he "didn't see", then, the fact that one of €uroZone's candidates didn't meet at all the Criteria  :


    - Schroeder reportedly claimed that he "didn't have a crystal-clear view of the financial situation in Greece at that period", i.e. ignored the excessive Debt which had been provoked by notoriously Nepotist recruitment of PASOK's "clients" or even political lackeys in counter-productive cushy-jobs at the State-controlled sectors, since, particularly, the 1980 Decade.


    - "If we knew, we'd probably have taken another, differend Decision", he added, going on to criticize his successors for not taking enough measures to rectify the situation immediately when it was revealed, later-on, that Greece's Debt's numbers were, in fact, much greater...


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Santer to "EuroFora" : - "I warned ...to wait"
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    But, experienced former EU Commission's President, and f. Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Jacques Santer, (a ChristianDemocrat/EPP), speaking earlier to "EuroFora" in Strasbourg , gave an Opposite Version of that which used now former "Socialist" German Chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder, on the conditions and the Timing of Greece's entry in €uroZone, decided back on 1999-2000 :


    - "I Warned, then, Semites", (i.e. former Prime Minister of Greece, then, a German-educated "Socialist"), "that Greece should wait", until it succesfully accomplishes necessary Reforms, before it enters €urozone, he remembered.


    - "But he (Semites, i.e. the former "Socialist" Prime Minister of Greece then, who won the April 2000 Elections based on Greece's €uro entry, even with less than 1% of the votes' difference, staying in power for 4 more years) Refused !", revealed Jacques Santer in his reply to "EuroFora"s question.


    + "And afterwards, my successor, didn't pay attention,  and he went on" with Greece's too early entry in €urozone, he added, pointing at Italian Center-Left politician Prodi, (who hadn't yet, at that moment, any significant experience on EU issues, and, therefore, had been, then, at least for a while, obliged to take advise, inter alia, also by a controversial Italian Journalist, Frederico Cerri, who had recently been personally linked to Turkish "Deep State" circles for reasons related merely to some aspects of his "Private" life)...


    Indeed, as it is well known, Santer's EU Commission fell victim, during 1999, to an unprecedented Slandering and orchestrated, Negative Media, systematic campaign, which reportedly claimed, among others,  that he would be responsible for not sanctioning on time EU Commisssion's Brussels' Security service' Corruption Scandal, (for acts going back to its former French "Socialist" predecessor, Delors), obliging  Santer to resign after it convinced many MEPs in EU Parliament in Strasbourg to vote against him.


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Oli Rehn to German "'Green" MEP  : - "You skiped the Rules !"
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    Meanwhile, another critical view Opposed to Schroeder's claims came by EU Commissioner in charge of Economy, Finnish Liberal Oli Rehn, while speaking to EU Parliament's Economic Committee, earlier in Strasbourg ;


    - Rehn became spectacularly Angry with an intervention by a German "Green" MEP, whose Party he accused to have supported in the Past (1998-2004) a Coalition Government which altered and softened €uroZone's Rules, in Greece's and others' cases, judged to be Reponsible for "Laxist" Financial policies, from the Negative Consequences of which Europe suffers today.


    The EU Commissioner obviously referred to the "Socialists" - "Greens" former Government Coalition in Germany, med by Gerhard Shroeder and Joshka Fischer, the latter being particularly known as a former Foreign Minister whose Party had been then seriously abd systematically infiltrated by many organised Turkish immigrants' lobbies :


    - A Fact of obvious relevance for any eventual  Investigation on €urozone Crisis' real causes, since Semites had managed to snatch the April 2000 Greek Elections (See supra) notoriously thanks to a Politico-Financial deal with big EU Governments ("Socialists" then) of the kind : - "We close our eyes on your Debt" (steming from many PASOK's "clients" and/or Lackeys massively hired in counter-poductive, cushy-jobs at the State-controlled sector during the 1980 Decade), in exchange of "you closing your mouth on Turkey's" controversial and unpopular EU bid, when, between December 1999 and December 2000, Ankara was given an EU "Candidate" Status, allowing it to start receiving up to almost 1 Billion € each year from EU Taxpayers' Money as a Grant, despite the persistence of many Serious Violations of Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law, illegal Military Occupation of part of Cyprus, Turkish Army Threats against Greece in the Aegean, hinderig EU Member Athens to Peacefully exploit probable Oil-Gas resources in the bottom of the Sea, Kurdish problem, even Violent and Noisy Refusal against Countries Recognizing the Armenian Genocide, Military Interventions of the Turkish Arrmy inside Iraq, etc.


     + Rhen's move was followed, shortly afterwards, by a similar Criticism on Greece's case even by experienced former long-time Chancellor of German Helmut Kohl, a ChristianDemocrat, Historic "Father" of Europe's Reunification, who also denounced the former "Socialist" Governments'' Errors made back on 1999-2000, concerning Greece's too early entry into €urozone,  even before doing necessary Reforms, at the same time that Turkey was given, in exchange, a lucrative EU Candidate Status even without meeting yet the EU conditions (see supra).


    => This growing controversy, among key EU Top Politcians, on such important issues;  clearly indicate a real possibility to be included also in 2012-2014 Franco-German and EU Electoral Debates. 

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(NDLR : "DraftNews", as already sent earlier to "EuroFora"s Sunscribers/Donors. A complete and more accurate Final Version is due asap).

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3 EU Parliament votes to boost EuroGroup !

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After EuroZone Paris Summit's succes, Sarkozy calls to "think anew how to re-construct Europe !

"EuroZone and EU Institutional debates pave the way to 2009 discussions on EU Future, including Enlargment, Turkey etc. ?


23 October 2008

After EU Parliament strongly suppported in 3 successive Votes this week in Strasbourg French EU Chairmanship's move to boost Euro-Group at EU's core, while ideas on EU Institutional problems are awaited on December, "it's an open Question now" if this may lead to a debate on EU's Future, or not, told us French President, Nicolas Sarkozy''s Spokesman, Pierre-Jerome Henin.

MEPs voted on Thursday fresh Funds to support EuroGroup, after adopting on Wednesday a Resolution asking a "further Evolution" to "the 1st ever meeting of Heads of State and of Government of the Euro-Zone, taking decisions in that capacity", while earlier this week a Report asked "a stronger Institutional setting" for "EuroGroup", extended from "competitiveness/industry" to "environment, employment and education", with "increased powers for Political decision-making", according to a text drafted by French MEP Francoise Beres and German MEP Werner Langen, "10 Years after the creation of Euro" (1999 - 2009).

- Brussels' subsequent "EU Council ..(simply)..ratified the measures decided by EuroGroup on October 12" in Paris, which "were necessary to contain the current Financial Crisis", Resolution observes, expressing also support to the new process succesfully initiated by Sarkozy and due to be completed by agreements with USA and other countries at a Global level.

From now on, it's between two differend but parallel moves : EU's delay, and EuroZone's acceleration, that Enlargement and particularly Turkey's controversial EU bid, will have to search its way :

Indeed, EU's 27 expect a "Roadmap on how to deal with the Irish problem" on Lisbon Treaty ratification after December, risking to pass even 2009 Elections and next Commission with the old Nice Treaty of 2000, out-dated and unfit even for 2004's Enlargement...

On the contrary, EU's core launches a real "Economic Governance for EuroZone at the highest level of Heads of State/Government" of the 15, which started in Paris on October 12 and was strongly supported this week in Strasbourg by Sarkozy and EU Parliament.
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- "It's a good idea, to launch such a debate ("on EU's Future") in EU Parliament in view of 2009 Euro-Election : Perhaps some MEPs will seize an opportunity", told us mainstream French MEP Alain Lamassoure, former EU Minister and EU Spokesman for France's governing party UMP.

- "All MEPs' debates on such EU Councils are also part of the larger debate on Europe's future : Now with EuroZone, and even more when, on December, Irish Prime Minister is due to table proposals in Strasbourg on how to deal with EU Treaty's ratification", replied earlier to our question EU Parliament's Press Director and Spokesman, Jaume Duch.
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Sarkozy has formally anounced his intention to open EU Debates on Economy, Identity/Enlargement (i.e. mainly Turkey), etc. both linked to a popular Political view of Europe, since his Historic speeches on EU in Strasbourg, on February and July 2007, when he stressed that "Europe needs a New Renaissance". At the beginning of the French EU Presidency, on July 2008, replying to a MEP, he suggested that EU Parliament takes an active part in Debates on EU's Future.

- Now, in 2008, "Crisis are an opportunity to re-think how to re-construct Europe", Sarkozy stressed. At any case, the Historic 1st EuroZone Summit of Heads of State/Government, which started replying to the Financial crisis,"is a Turning Point : After that, Europe cannot be governed as before, but differently" : People "like a Europe with Strong Will".

- "We must make the System move !", "Europe needs Innovation" and free political debates. EU "Elections are in a few Months", Sarkozy warned.

He invited EU Parliament to fully play its role as "the Democratic Heart of the Europe we want : United, Independent and Voluntarist, because the World needs Europe's voice".

- "It's no more possible for Euro-Zone to continue without an Economic Government" at the Highest Level of Heads of State/Government, who provide "Democratic Legitimity" and can take important decisions, he announced, strongly supported by EU Parliament's Economic Committee which just voted to boost the "Institutional" aspects of "EuroGroup".

Plasticity offered by the current absence of a special Treaty on EuroZone's Institutions "made it easy to adapt the organization of the 1st Summit with imagination, to efficiently meet urgent needs", he observed, on the occasion of Brittish Prime Minister's exceptionnal presence at the greatest part of EuroGroup's Paris Summit.

- "In EuroZone we have the same Bank, the same Money, and, thus, a same duty for Unity" : "By bringing together EuroGroup's 15 members States we suceeded to find a solution and prepare a Giant Plan of 1.800 Billion euros", Sarkozy reminded of Paris' 1st Historic EuroZone's Summit.

Afterwards, Brussels' EU Council followed the move, and USA's Paulson II Plan was inspired from that. "Europe must promote the idea of Global Economy's Refoundation", he stressed.

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- "I was frankly astonished when I found, at the EU, a rigid system, where any New Idea was seen from the outset as a sacrilege, while, on the contrary, Europe needs Innovation !", he described.

F.ex. ,"'When we first spoke about the "Union for the Mediterranean", it was misunderstood as something extraordinary.. When later we had the Russia -Georgia crisis, it seemed against EU's custom to act "in the middle of August", instead of staying a passive spectator ! And when, in front of the Financial ciris, we gathered the 1st EuroZone Summit of the "15", some thought of it as a lese-majesté", he denounced.
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On Geo-Political Principles :
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- But, by moving resolutely, "EU obtained the ...withdrawal of Occupation Troops in 2 Months !", reminded Sarkozy, observing that Russia "fulfilled its commitments", in the Georgian crisis, where a "disroportionate reaction" from Moscow followed a "totally inappropriate action" from Tbilisi's troops. "It would be crazy to reply by military means : EU should not become accomplice of another Cold War, imposed by lack of cool heads".. as he said.

In future, "the creation of a common European Economic Area with EU and Russia, would also obtain a raprochment on our Human Rights and Democratic Values", added Sarkozy, in a statement which should logically be applied, a fortiori, to controversial EU "candidate" Turkey..

Particularly when, the same week that EU Parliament voted 2009 EU Funds for Turkey's controversial EU bid, ECHR took a series of judgements condemning Turkey for grave Violations of Human Rights, such as : Torture, death of a political prisoner in unclear circumstances followed by failure to conduct a proper Investigation, "enforced Disappearance" of a youngster aged 17, Killing of a sepherd with Tank Shells, persecuting Journalists for articles on "Missing" People, even a former President of Human Rights' Association, (etc)

- "We (EU) can defend our ideas on respect of Sovereignity and territorial Integrity, on Human Rights and other differences ... without confrontation", Sarkozy stressed, on the occasion of Russian/Georgian conflict, reminding that : "we were only 2 steps from catastroph", when a Peace agreement brokered in Moscow prevented, at the last minute, Russian troops' advance towards Tbilisi.

An EU Parliament Resolution adopted Wednesday in Strasbourg on the occasion of Russia - Georgia conflict, outlines a set of Principle which apply elsewhere too, (particularly when EU Rapporteur for Russia and Turkey is one and same person ; Dutch MEP Ria Oomen-Ruijtanen !)

Clearly rejecting any "military solution to the conflicts", MEPs "condemn ..all those who resorted to force and violence". They denounce a "disproportionate military action", "as well as (an) unilateral decision to recognise the independence" of brekaway regions, "calling.. to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity" of the concerned country, "and the inviolability of its borders recognised by all EU Member States". They warn that "EU must review its policy towards" a 3rd Country, "should .(it)...not comply with its commitments", and "stress that the withdrawal of.... troops from the areas ....is an essential additional step".

EU Parliament "calls for the safe and quick return of refugees, (accepted by Russian President Medvedev) accompanied by the deployment of EU observers on the ground", and "regrets ...that ..EU Monitoring Mission (EUMM) is not allowed to enter the ...breakaway regions". Moreover, "It's important to ensure that persons and NGOs ..engaged in defending human and civil rights can operate". "Until ...all remaining issues (are) resolved..., and notably the continuing ...Military presence", "relations with the EU ..cannot be fully normalised", MEPS warned.

As nobody likes to be accused to practice "Double Standards", this should be regarded as "Principles" applicable to any Third Country at EU's Neighborhood.. No ?

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On Economy :

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- "When Financial crisis shook US and EU's Banks, without result from the 1st (American) Paulsen plan, it was the common reply of the 1st EuroZone's Summit, involving some 1800 Billion euros, which started a positive move in the markets, soon strengthened by the follow-up of the US Paulson 2 Plan, noted Sarkozy.

- "Europe should not be only on the defensive, but, if necessary, know also how to take an offensive", he said, brushing away hesitationsto act on Economy: - "I'm for a refondation of Capitaliism, but against Speculators, who betray its values" : "Lack of Rules was profitable to speculators, Not to businessmen !" We must make sure to prevent any such crisis in future". "We, the rest of the World, cannot continue to bear the deficits of the 1st World power without saying anything !", the French President said, applauded by EU Parliament. All this needs "a New Global Governance", on which EU Parliament must debate. That's why "we proposed together with USA, several Summits from mid-November", to which G-8, enlarged to China, India a.o. countries, should participate. UNO's SG; Ban Ki Moon, the IMF, etc.

Financial crisis lowered shares' prices even for healthy companies, sometimes to 1/3 of their initial price, so that strangers might buy EU industries for only a portion of their real value, and Europeans may wake up one day with their main industries sold out to foreigners !

That's one of the reasons for which EU should debate about creating "Golden Shares" for States to jointly take Strategic participations to help European Industries until the end of the Crisis, particularly against distording competition, he suggested, pointing at USA's 35 billion $ plan for American Car Industry."We shall struggle for Europe to be able to build Airplanes, Ships, Trains, Cars, because we need a strong Industry", he concluded.

"F.ex. as we did back in 2004, when as Finance Minister, we bought Alsthom's shares for 800.000 euros, and, after restructuring, we sold them for 2 Millions : Help a company and make money is not so bad"...

As for the UK, "when Ireland announced that it would guarantee only Irish Banks, London City emptied from liquidities in 24 hours : It's the EU which helped to restore the situation, Not the UK alone !", reminded Sarkozy to nationalist British MEP Nigel Farage.

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On the contrary, in a last-minute attempt for the EU to catch-up with its Institutional delay "before the European Elections" of June 2009, MEPs simply voted a call for a "set of proposals" to be made for the "Irish public opinion" at the end of the year...

- "As long as Lisbon Treaty is not ratified by all 27 EU Member States, there is an unanimous decision to stop Enlargement, reminded Wednesday in Strasbourg the French Minister for EU affairs, Jean-Pierre Jouyet..

Added to an indirect but clear warning that, without Lisbon Treaty, all 27 EU Member Countries may not have a Commissioner in the 2009 resuffle, MEPS in the Constitutional/Foreign affairs Committees applauded hoping that this might motivate their Irish friends..

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